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libragirl

I am not against immigrants coming to this country. It's what the country is based on. Unfortunately, you only hear the bad things that happens.

I posted my tt

Wystful1

I see this on the news...and read in the newspapers. The thing I see tho, bothers me somewhat....especially rallies in the Southwest U.S.------and it brings up one question..."Why do these immigrants from around the world always carry their "homeland" flags instead of U.S. flags? Just a thought I always have.

My T T is up

carmen

I'm not sure how to feel about this. I mean, it's illegal, so should we reward that? But at the same time, america was born from the melting pot theory.

And don't get me started on George W. Heard of a bumper sticker "I'm George W. Bush and I approved this mess."

My list is up
http://carmenhasgonetoplaid.blogspot.com/

Debbie

I am not sure if I want to chime in or not. It is a very deep subject and we as true americans are getting hosed in one form or another.
My TT is up.

Attila the Mom

Very thought-provoking list!

Thanks for posting it!

Empress Juju

This thing is going to be bigger than anyone thinks it will. They are heavy economic and political issues, and so complicated that I don't even pretend to know what's best, but I am thrilled that a shake-up is occurring. Whichever way people stand on these issues, they're going to have to get involved. About damn time!

Kelly

Welcome back to the TT!
Youare so brave to post political opinions. There is always chance of a major backlash... that is why I just stay out of it. I am a coward.
Thanks for the interesting read!

Happy Thursday!
Mine are up.
Diary of the Nello

Keb

Great list. I live near Phoenix and I have some information on the issue as well.

My Thirteen are here.

Nancy

Awesome list. Thanks so much for posting. I had no idea about the immigrants and the war.

Nasekomiy

About 4 and 5:

1) The illegal immigrant cannot join the U.S. military

2) Gutierrez held permanent U.S. resident status, which he obtained in 1999. He was not illegal when he died

http://www.militarycity.com/valor/256506.html

3) Jose Gutierrez was one on the first who died in Iraq, but not the first. First four soldiers died day before Jose Gutierrez was killed.

The Department of Defense announced today the identities of four U.S. Marines killed in a CH-46E helicopter crash on March 20 in Kuwait. Killed were:

Maj. Jay Thomas Aubin, 36, of Waterville, Maine
Capt. Ryan Anthony Beaupre, 30, of Bloomington, Ill.
Cpl. Brian Matthew Kennedy, 25, of Houston, Texas
Staff Sgt. Kendall Damon Watersbey, 29, of Baltimore, Md

http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/2003/b03212003_bt135-03.html

Therrel S. Childers and Jose Gutierrez were killed in action on March 21, 2003.

The Department of Defense announced today the identities of two U.S. Marines killed in action on March 21 in Southern Iraq. Killed were:
2nd Lt. Therrel S. Childers, 30, Harrison County, Miss.
Lance Cpl. Jose Gutierrez, 22, Los Angeles, Calif.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Mar2003/b03222003_bt137-03.html

Mrs Lifecruiser

A good list :-) even though i'm not american....

My T13 is more kind of "hard-boiled" ;-)

Nasekomiy

about this According to the U.S. government, the majority of illegal immigrants pay taxes through Individual Taxpayer Identification numbers of false social security numbers.

The Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration report has estimated for tax year 2000 that “353,000 resident aliens who were not authorized to work in the United States filed a tax return with an ITIN and also reported wages.”

Only 353,000 from 11 million

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04529t.pdf

rodney roe

This is one of those issues, like the war in Iraq, which causes people to make illogical arguments. Like... Allowing illegal immigrants to stay in this country is OK because I know some of them and they're nice folks... It is true that, by and large, they are good people who work hard and just want a better life. But that doesn't make them legal.
The immigrants are here because they are impoverished. Why are they impoverished? Because they come from countries with two classes; rich and poor. The rich got that way by corruption and using the poor. The poor stay that way because they have runaway population growth due to their religious faith. Regardless of the arguments about how they help the economy, they put stress on the public service sector. Students who speak English often get little out of the first years of school because the teachers have to spend time with children who speak only Spanish. The hospitals are stressed because non-profit hospitals are forced to treat anyone who comes through the door regardless of ability to pay. Last decade the hispanic population of Charlotte, NC grew by 800%. Much of that growth came through births with no prenatal care and no way to pay.
Granting the illegal immigrants amnesty will be a slap in the face to those citizens who got their citizinship by going through all the hoops. In a way it is like granting amnesty to the draft dodgers who went to Canada during the Viet Nam conflict. It was like spitting on those of us who went to Viet Nam because we did not want to live and raise our children in a foreign country with no chance of ever seeing our parents and family again. I'll stop here. I have more.

Leanne

I never could understand why anyone would think that the wealthiest in the country should carry the poorest. Why? Do they have fewer bills? Do they not deserve to roll around in a bed of the money they earned? Why is it that anyone thinks a rich persons income should be targeted as undeserved? If you were a millionaire, or even a multi-billionaire would you be okay with some politician coming over and saying "hey, sorry man, your neighbor over there doesn't have much, so give me your hard earned money, and I'll give it to him." I mean, Robin Hood was a great guy and all, but stealing from the rich to give to the poor doesn't teach the poor anything more than how to accept money from the rich.

As far as immigrants - I say if an American is too dang proud to pick heads of lettuce for $4 an hour, someone has to do it. I don't want to pay $10 for a head of lettuce because Jobless Joe won't accept that job because it doesn't pay enough or provide benes.

America has become a big screwed up mess, that's for sure - but it's not the fault of one sitting President. He is only in the bottom of the hole we've been digging for years.

:/

Jen

I've been following this on NPR. What a mess!

That's cool about your gardening. My yard could use some butt kicking, too, but I'm just not feeling it enough right now...

kontan

Leanne, I love it! He's only in the bottom of the hole we've been digging for years, so true.

Illegal is ILLEGAL. There are ways to be legal. I have naturalized family members. It is a slap in their face to just hand over citizenship to people who did not follow the right path to have it. If immigrants want to come here, come on in, but do it legally. I want to teach internationally. So far I haven't found anywhere that will just let me come on in and start working. There is a process that must be followed.

thanks for stopping by my place.

Shelli

Informative and facinating. Good job with the fact finding. Happy Easter. Thanks for coming by my 13.

colleen

Thanks for standing for something. Yeah, it's not all Bush's fault, but he only set us back by a few decades.

My 13 are non-violent and trying not to get arrested.

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